?

Log in

No account? Create an account

Next Entry

A New Sith, or Revenge of the Hope

Reconsidering Star Wars IV in the light of I-III

[I originally wrote this piece in 2005 and a friend posted it on his website. That site has recently gone down, so I'm reposting it here, as it still gets a lot of interest.]

If we accept all the Star Wars films as the same canon (as it seems we must) then a lot that happens in the original films has to be reinterpreted in the light of the prequels. As we now know, the rebel Alliance was founded by Yoda, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Bail Organa. What can readily be deduced is that their first recruit, who soon became their top field agent, was R2-D2.
Full text behind the cutCollapse )

Comments

( 103 comments — Leave a comment )
Page 3 of 5
<<[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] >>
(Anonymous)
May. 14th, 2012 11:29 pm (UTC)
I am Truly Sorry
Hate to break it to you, but most of the things you say here are wrong or flat out impossible. Now, I know that at the time you wrote this, quite a bit of the information that I have access to you didn't. I am in the process of reading every Star Wars Novel in existance (That is Canon) and have noticed quite a few flaws in the logic. If you ever have the chance, I would suggest cross-referencing your data with modern sources and coming up with a new explanation. Other than that I think you did a pretty good job and I appreciate you spending the time to try to sort this out with the information you had. Try reading the book Millenium Falcon by James Luceno if you ever get the chance, and Chewbacca could not have been a Rebel Spy because he was Forced into slavery until Han saved him then worked with Solo until... well he Worked with Solo until he died. Anyway, I would like to see an updated version of this information if you ever get the chance and I thank you for your effort.
_kuma
May. 23rd, 2012 06:51 pm (UTC)
Plucky Astrodroid
When I saw R2 pop up in Amidala's retinue in Episode I, I've maintained (but not so nicely detailed) that the entirety of Star Wars canon is the story of a plucky astrodroid (nee hobbit) and the cloud of hapless adventurers that surround him from time to time.
(Anonymous)
May. 30th, 2012 10:22 pm (UTC)
Pausible
From a literary stand-point I think it works, except for the R2-Jawa deal,probably not likely that the Jawas took R2's request seeing as they had already subdued him and put a restraining bolt on him. I think it is fantastic and would be accepted by the non sci-fi novel reader as good writing, but we can already see from other comments that the hardcore sci-fi fan won't accept this. However this summation doesn't follow the idea set forth in the movies and books that the Force even though it is a tool that can be manipulated, is actually what runs the universe. After all, what seems to be coincidence to the characters is actually the Force screwing with everyone to do what they do. Most things that happen in the Star Wars universe don't happen by chance, but are the result of the Force playing with people like they were action figures.
(Anonymous)
Nov. 26th, 2012 03:01 am (UTC)
Re: Pausible
The R2-Jawa deal doesn't seam that bad of a plot hole really. If you accept that R2 is a master hacker, all he would have to do (restraining bolt or not) is get to a terminal where he could shut down their vehicle or threaten to release all their captured droids. At that point the Jawa have the options of bending to R2's demands or killing him and reaping the consequences. I believe the Jawa are buisiness people and anyone who has worked retail knows you don't be a fucking hero, if someone hijacks your store you bend to their demands and live to peddle your crap another day. And then you give a good enough description to the authorities to get that guy arrested.

So, maybe he didn't barter with them with hidden cash he had on hand, maybe he took over their operation and forced them to do his bidding.
(Anonymous)
May. 30th, 2012 11:34 pm (UTC)
Humorous
Great piece! Made me laugh.
(Anonymous)
Jun. 2nd, 2012 07:18 pm (UTC)
Wow
Boy, people can't let go of the fact that this essay is based solely on the movies an no other EU material, "canon" or not.

Probably the same people who can not appreciate the Clerks death-star contractor debate.
(Anonymous)
Jun. 10th, 2012 01:24 am (UTC)
Brilliant. Don't listen to the nerd-rage.
This article is simply genius. It has reframed the OT for me.

I have my nitpicks here and there, namely Obi-wan didn't watch the podrace (and that bit didn't need to be mentioned anyway, given how he saw Anakin's piloting skills so much more later) and I don't really buy the bit about Chewie owning the Falcon and arranging the change of hands from Lando to Han. On the whole, however, this is magnificent.

People need to ease up on the EU. Lucas himself has called only the movies canon, so this is a plausible extrapolation from the details provided.

That said, Chewie's role as a Rebel spy *could* still be made to work with his backstory as a slave. All we have to do is speculate that Yoda contracted him into being a spy and gave him the relevant information but, before he could do anything, he was forced into slavery under the Empire. When Han freed him, he went about his work as this article describes.

Oh, and for the people who keep harping on R2's transportation by the Jawas, the idea is not that he arranged for them to carry him beforehand but that once they had captured him, he paid them to take him to the Lars farm.
(Anonymous)
Jul. 2nd, 2012 08:19 pm (UTC)
I like what you have done here
Forgive me if i'm going over something another commentor left behind, but i didn't see it from what i've skimmed.

Not that they are "official canon" or anything but if you were to also incorporate the Star Wars: Force Unleashed games, there is a lot more info you could include here. Such as the starkiller crest and it being the symbol of the rebel alliance, as well as the implied foundation of said alliance.

But overall i dig the idea of R2 being such an influential agent. You always get that "he knows way more than he lets on" vibe about him.
tychesong
Oct. 13th, 2012 03:50 am (UTC)
Bravo-- I love this whole idea. Well thought out and nicely written. Props.
(Anonymous)
Oct. 13th, 2012 06:00 am (UTC)
And then what happened?
(Anonymous)
Dec. 13th, 2012 04:27 am (UTC)
EU is not canon
From the Wikipedia article on Star Wars Canon.

"In a 2001 "Ask the Jedi Council" response by Steve Sansweet (director of fan relations) and Chris Cerasi (an editor for Lucas Books at the time), it was stated that:

"When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves—and only the films. ""

There you have it folks, plain and simple. The movies are canon, everything else is speculation.

This is good because almost all of the EU is just plain bad and should never be considered canon. ;)

Personally, I have adopted this interpretation of events and preach it every time Star Wars comes up! :D
(Anonymous)
Dec. 11th, 2012 04:20 am (UTC)
Bah!
If Chewie and Obi Wan knew each other than why did that human in the space suit have to introduce them in the cantina?

I've got a better version. In mine, the prequels don't exist and nothing in them ever happened... well, Anakin Skywalker was seduced by the dark side, but it happened more organically and he was way more badass before he fell. It may not work for you, and it may take a lot of forgetting for me, but my kids enjoy it.

Well written though.
(Anonymous)
Dec. 19th, 2012 03:05 am (UTC)
Brilliant. An alternate history on Luke's decision to leave Tattooine perhaps?
Hey mate,

Simply brilliant analysis, and I love that this is getting more play again now in late 2012.

I actually came out with some Star Wars speculation myself lately after hearing news of the Disney purchase, and thought you might appreciate it on some level:
http://www.loveandfreedomproject.com/overcoming-your-fear-lessons-from-luke-skywalker/

Cheers!
(Anonymous)
Dec. 28th, 2012 04:48 am (UTC)
Fascinating stuff, and really enjoyable. The stuff about the R2/Yoda/Organa/Obi Wan connection I really loved, the Chewie stuff a bit harder to take.

A word on the supposed canon status of the EU - there are some great SW stories in this material, but none of them can be considered canon. Just look at the way Lucas trampled on some of the EU stuff in the prequels (Boba Fett's history, the creation of C3PO) - you can bet the recently announced new trilogy is going to trample on a lot more EU stuff too.

As far as I'm concerned, the movies are the thing - and you've used the material from the movies brilliantly. Well done!
(Anonymous)
Jan. 3rd, 2013 12:02 am (UTC)
Great Analysis! I'll have to re-watch A New Hope in light of this amazing interpretation.
Wood TheStoryteller
Jan. 3rd, 2013 05:20 am (UTC)
So much fun!!
This was a fantastic and fun read!!

I found only one flaw, but I have a work-around. Chewbacca isn't Force-sensitive. There'd be no reason for Yoda/Obi-Wan to leave Luke and Leia's fate in Chewie's hands, much less even let him know who their father is.

I spent six years in the USAF with a TS clearance. The first, and most important, question to ask when dealing with sensitive information is "Who NEEDS to know?" That criteria must be met before the background check even begins!

Since Chewie isn't Force-sensitive, if Luke -did- turn to the Dark Side, there'd be no way for Chewie to know for sure. And, more to the point, there'd be no way for Chewie to stop him. I mean, he can rip people's arms out of their sockets, but he wouldn't be able to stand up to a Dark Jedi.

But your point about Luke needing watching over (we're presuming that Leia, being under Bail Organa's care, would inherently side with him?) stands, so I suggest the following: Qui-Gon Jinn keeps his eye on Luke!

Now, Chewie as a slave-turned-spy, I can buy. And I totally believe in R2-D2 as the James Bond Droid of the Future (tm). But neither of them are Force-sensitive, and with Obi-Wan passing into the Force in Ep. IV, there's a gap in the "Luke Watch". Yoda is safely hidden on Dagobah; Obi-Wan is still learning the far side of the Force's powers. The only Jedi who can be anywhere, and see anything (and, thus, keep an eye on Luke) is Qui-Gon, who can come back from the "Netherworld of the Force".

Now, it wouldn't be prudent for Qui-Gon to appear to Luke the way Obi-Wan did, because the two never met. Luke would just get freaked out and call Ghost Hunters. Nor could Yoda simply show up one day and say, "I may be small and green, but you can totally trust me!" Instead, the trio of Jedi Masters must wait patiently for Obi-Wan to get up to speed on the whole being-a-shiny-transparent-blue-guy thing.

They have time, though! Obi-Wan left a text for Luke, telling him to use the Force instead of his targeting computer. And Luke listened, showing that, for the moment at least, he's not heading down the path to the Dark Side of the Force. So by the time Luke arrives on Hoth, he's well on his way to being the Good Guy. Once there, Obi-Wan leaves another text, mentioning Dagobah. Again, Luke listens. And once Luke arrives, Yoda is then prepared to pick up the training that Obi-Wan dropped the ball on.

That's my theory, anyway. It seems to fit into yours!
tigerbright
Jan. 16th, 2013 10:31 pm (UTC)
Awesome.
Page 3 of 5
<<[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] >>
( 103 comments — Leave a comment )

Latest Month

January 2015
S M T W T F S
    123
45678910
11121314151617
18192021222324
25262728293031
Powered by LiveJournal.com
Designed by Tiffany Chow