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A New Sith, or Revenge of the Hope


Reconsidering Star Wars IV in the light of I-III

[I originally wrote this piece in 2005 and a friend posted it on his website. That site has recently gone down, so I'm reposting it here, as it still gets a lot of interest.]

If we accept all the Star Wars films as the same canon (as it seems we must) then a lot that happens in the original films has to be reinterpreted in the light of the prequels. As we now know, the rebel Alliance was founded by Yoda, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Bail Organa. What can readily be deduced is that their first recruit, who soon became their top field agent, was R2-D2.

Consider: at the end of Revenge of the Sith, Bail Organa orders 3PO's memory wiped but not R2's. He would not make the distinction casually. Both droids know that Yoda and Obi-Wan are alive and are plotting sedition with the Senator from Alderaan. They know that Amidala survived long enough to have twins and could easily deduce where they went. However, it can be assumed that R2 makes an impassioned speech to the effect that he is far more use to them with his mind intact: he has observed Palpatine and Anakin at close quarters for many years, knows much that is useful and is one of the galaxy's top experts at hacking into other people's systems. Also he can lie through his teeth with a straight face. Organa, in immediate need of espionage resources, agrees.

For the next 20 years, as far as C3PO knows, he is the property of Captain Antilles, doing protocol duties on a diplomatic transport. He is vaguely aware of the existence of Princess Leia but he doesn't know much about her. Wherever 3PO goes, being as loud and obvious as he always is, his unobtrusive little counterpart goes with him. 3PO is R2's front man. Wherever they land, R2 is passing messages between rebel sympathisers and sizing up governments as potential rebel recruits - both by personal contact and by hacking into their networks. He passes his recommendations on to Organa.

Yoda is out of the picture by this stage, using the Force-infused swamps of Dagobah to hide himself from Vader and the Emperor. Or something. He is meditating on the future and keeping in touch with Obi-Wan via the ghost of Qui-Gon Jin, which as comm systems go has the virtue of being untappable. Obi-Wan, on Tattoine, keeps in touch with Bail Organa and the other Rebel leaders by courier, of which more later.

As Star Wars opens, R2 is rushing the Death Star plans to the Rebellion. That’s R2, not Leia. The plans are always in R2. What Leia puts into him in the early scene is only her own holographic message to Kenobi. Leia's own mission, as she says in that holographic message, is to pick up Obi-Wan and take him to Alderaan. Or so she thinks. Actually, her father just wants her to meet Kenobi, which up to this point she never has. There's a reason for that.

Obi-Wan has spent the last 20 years in the Tattoine desert, keeping watch over Luke Skywalker and trying to decide on one of the three available options:
A) If Luke shows no significant access to the Force, then leave him alone in obscurity
B) If Luke shows real Force ability, then consider recruiting him as a Jedi. The rebellion needs Jedi and it needs them now.But, if Luke shows any signs of turning out like his father, then:
C) sneak into his house one fine night and chop his head off. With great regret but it'll save a lot of trouble later on.

Knowing this to be the case, Bail Organa (perhaps at the insistence of his wife) has found excuses not to send Leia to Ben for assessment of Jedi potential, largely for fear of option C.

To be fair to all concerned, Leia has shown no overt signs of a link to the Force. Luke on the other hand has. In his home-built hotrod aircraft, with no formal fighter pilot training and no decent instrumentation, Luke can regularly score centre-hits on two-metre targets in complex zero-altitude maneouvres. Until he attends the briefing on Yavin, Luke has no way of knowing that hardened combat pilots would consider that nearly impossible. To him it's easy. Obi-Wan, who saw Anakin's performance in the Pod Race, is nervous.

Much of Obi-Wan's behaviour in this film, and Yoda's in the next, can best be understood if they are frankly scared to death of what Luke might become. (Ben is also scared that he himself will make all the same mistakes he made with Anakin.)

Now, with the existence of the rebellion at stake, Bail Organa has finally told Leia to go see Obi-Wan and has sent her along with R2. The original plan would then be for Obi-Wan (with optional Luke and/or Leia in tow) to leave his exile and take the Death Star plans to Yavin, where they can be put to use. R2 (with Leia if Ben doesn't want to take her) would then carry on to Alderaan to maintain the cover story. The original plan does not survive contact with a large Imperial Star Destroyer.

R2 and 3PO bail out in an escape pod. Landing in vaguely the right area of Tattoine, R2's first priority is transport. He arranges to be captured by a group of Jawas and, once on board their vehicle, he makes a deal with them (possibly using emergency funds stored elsewhere on the planet) to take him where he wants to go. The Jawas refuse to go directly to Kenobi for fear of marauding Sandpeople but they agree to R2's second request : transport to the farm of Owen Lars. They even get to keep the purchase price if they can sell R2 and 3PO there. R2 and the Jawas shake on it and they go through with the plan.

Seeing 3PO fail to recognise the farm where he worked for 10 miserable years gives R2 a moment's amusement but, as soon as opportunity presents itself, he makes a break for it and heads for Obi-Wan. Luke and 3PO follow, which may or may not have been part of the plan.

On first seeing R2, Obi-Wan has a twinkle in his eye and calls him "my little friend". Well, he is. However, when Luke wakes up and says that R2 claimed to be owned by an Obi-Wan Kenobi, Ben blandly says "I don't seem to remember ever owning a droid." Ben has in fact owned several but the remark is aimed at R2 and translates as "You keep quiet. I'm not about to tell him everything just yet." Obi-Wan thinks fast and tells Luke a version of his past that does not involve a father who became a dark lord of the Sith. Ben wants to examine Luke a lot more closely before he risks telling him the real truth.

Although the Death Star plans need to get to Yavin as soon as possible, Obi-Wan has one more diversion to make first. If the Empire knows that Leia is a Rebel leader, then they also know about her father, so the whole Organa family may need immediate evacuation. Fortunately, before coming to Tattoine, R2 had already arranged transport, which is waiting at Mos Eisley under the command of the Rebellion's other chief field agent and espionage asset. Chewbacca.

Twenty years earlier, Chewbacca was second in command of the defence of his planet. He was there in the tactical conferences and there on the front lines and was a personal friend of Yoda's. So when he needed reliable people to join the embryonic Alliance, who else would Yoda turn to but his old friend from Kashykk? Given his background, it makes no sense that Chewbacca would spend the crucial years of the rebellion as the second-in-command to (sorry Han) a low-level smuggler. Unless it was his cover. In fact, Chewie is a top-line spy and flies what is in many ways the Rebellion's best ship.

The Millenium Falcon may look like a beat-up old freighter but it can outrun any Imperial ship in normal space or hyperspace, hang in a firefight with a Star Destroyer or outmaneouvre a dozen top-of-the-line TIE fighters. It's a remarkable feat of engineering and must have cost a colossal fortune to build. How does Han come to own a ship like that? Actually, he only thinks he does – the real owner is Chewie. Half-way through Revenge of the Sith, we see the Falcon landing at the Senate building on Coruscant. If it's the same ship (which of course it is) then it was the personal transport of one of the senatorial delegations - a much more likely source to commission its design. That delegation must have later joined the Rebellion and given it the use of the Falcon. In fact, if the delegation was the one from Kashykk, then the ship may have belonged to Chewbacca as early as Revenge of the Sith.

Han is Chewbacca's front man. It's much better, and safer for him, if he doesn't know what's really going on. Chewie used to work with Lando Calrissian in a similar way but Lando wanted to settle down, so Chewie arranged for him to lose the Falcon in a card game to Han Solo, an even better choice as a partner. Han and Chewie's working method is pretty much what we see in the cantina scene: Chewie make the contacts and sets up the deals, then turns them over to Han, who haggles over the price and gives the final yea or nay. This lets Chewbacca wander the seamy underside of the galaxy pretty much at will, making contacts, gathering and passing information with no-one was the wiser, especially not Han.

It was Chewie who persuaded Han to do business with Jabba the Hutt, so that they could make regular runs to Tattoine, where Chewie could pass messages between Kenobi and Organa. When R2's urgent message came through only days before, the only way for Chewie to get back to Tattoine in time was to make the "mistake" that forced Han to dump his cargo to avoid capture. As a down side, this led to Solo's getting a death mark out on him from Jabba the Hutt. Chewie was a bit upset about that but figured they weren't going to be dealing with Tattoine for much longer.

En route to Alderaan, R2 and Chewie play stop-motion chess. This is the latest in a series of games that they've played over the years in the back rooms of space stations and cantinas across the galaxy, but this is the first time they've done it in front of their respective straight men, so they put on a big show.

Then it all goes wrong again. Alderaan has been destroyed and the Falcon is captured and brought aboard the Death Star. Han, Luke and 3PO don't know just how much trouble they're in but Obi-Wan, R2 and Chewbacca know only too well. However, Obi-Wan has a plan and seems confident of pulling it off (but then Jedi always do). Soon afterwards, while Obi-Wan is away, R2 discovers that Leia is in the detention cells and shouts out that they have to rescue her, to which Chewie can only agree. If Vader learns that he has a daughter, then they're all in very deep trouble, so Chewie does his bit to persuade Han to go along with Luke's impromptu rescue plan.

The escape nearly works but then Vader himself turns up only yards away from both of his children, one of whom is leaking Force in all directions. Obi-Wan sees what is happening and stages a distraction by letting himself die and go into the Force while the others escape.

At this point, Chewbacca suddenly realises that he's been left in charge, not only of the Death Star Plans and the survival of the Rebellion (which would be responsibility enough) but of the secret son and daughter of Darth Vader. With the Organas and Kenobi all dead, only Chewie, R2 and Yoda know who Luke and Leia really are and only Obi-Wan had any idea where to find Yoda. Chewbacca is stressed out by his new responsibilities and R2 (who keeps making crude jokes about the whole affair) is being no help at all.

Chewie's first problem is what is happening between Luke and Leia. With a psychic link they can feel but not understand, thrown together in a life-or-death escape, they are looking at each other with a sparky intensity that Chewie gradually recognises as Romantic Tension. He is no expert on human relationships but Chewie is fairly sure that that's Wrong, so he does the only thing he can think of under the circumstances - he throws Han at her. Han is not interested at first, but after a while he starts to warm to the idea with an intensity that gives Chewie new worries.

When they reach Yavin, Han opts to take the money and run and Chewie decides to go with him. Looked at in a cold light, it's for the good of the Rebellion. Even if Yavin is destroyed, there will be one agent who knows what's going on who can try to put something back together. Still, Chewie doesn't feel good about it and when Han decides to turn around and join the attack, the wookiee is all for it.

With the Death Star destroyed, Han and Luke get medals but Chewie doesn't. Actually, Leia offers him one but the wookiee turns it down. He got one of those things from Yoda about twenty years ago, but there's no way he can tell her that.

As the film ends, the three founders of the Rebellion are all gone. Bail Organa is dead, Yoda is out of contact and the ghost of Obi-Wan Kenobi can only talk to other Jedi. (So that would be Yoda then.) Thus, the field leadership of the rebellion has just been turned over to the daughter of Darth Vader. Chewie is hoping that someone with an official rank greater than hers will reach Yavin soon, before he has to think really seriously about option C.

© Keith Martin 2005

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(Anonymous)
Jan. 8th, 2011 07:18 pm (UTC)
I remember reading this way back then. I can't believe that you re-posted this just when a friend of mine said something that reminded me of it. Uncanny.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 10th, 2011 11:32 pm (UTC)
I like it
While there are some places that seem to me to take a small logical 'leap of faith' the scenario you've constructed seems rather sound. Very well thought out, I enjoyed reading it!
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(Anonymous)
Feb. 13th, 2011 06:14 pm (UTC)
An interesting model you have constructed here.A couple of things you might wish to consider concerning the relationship with the Falcon and HAN CHEWIE and LANDO.It is canon that lando first owned the falcon. It is canon that Han rescued chewie from imperial slavery.Aside from those salient points i beleave you have hit it on the head.
km_515
Feb. 14th, 2011 06:11 pm (UTC)
In the time since I first wrote this, the Han/Chewie history has had more comments than any other part of "A New Sith". But when I was writing it I deliberately didn't consider anything that didn't appear in the six films themselves.

Though the rescued slave/life debt angle has a long history in the Extended Universe (appearing as it does in some of the earliest spinoff materials) it wasn't on screen, so I treated it as speculation rather than canon.

For anyone who feels differently, feel free to ignore that line or find your own workaround for it.

Keith
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slayerjenn
Feb. 16th, 2011 07:01 pm (UTC)
Wow! Very interesting, the next time I watch the movies they will seem completely new since I will be looking for the clues that piece this together.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 16th, 2011 07:13 pm (UTC)
While I loved this piece of work there were some flaws, one being your information on the Millennium Falcon. First, It was a stock freighter produced on an assembly line, so there were many like it in the galaxy during the time of Revenge, so that ship that was seen, wasn't it. It was owned by a series of smugglers, who made modifications to it when it was there, the .5 past light speed hyperdrive, the second fastest hyperdrive that ever existed, being one of them. Han Solo eventually won it from Lando Calrissian in a city sabacc tourament, a common card gambling game in the galaxy.
theweaselking
Feb. 17th, 2011 02:54 am (UTC)
Who's to say Lando didn't deliberately lose it?

Regardless, the Falcon is the fastest ship of it's kind in the universe. There are faster ships, but none have a hyperdrive. There are stronger and better-armed ships, but none can keep up. The Falcon is the Bugatti Veryon of it's setting.
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(Anonymous)
Feb. 16th, 2011 07:20 pm (UTC)
This is great, but chewie Was captured on Kashyyk when the empire was formed and used as slave labor until one imperial pilot named Han Solo rescued him, and began a life of smuggling.
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Brian Laprath
Feb. 17th, 2011 11:53 am (UTC)
Re: Pathetic. Simply pathetic.
I don't ordinarily participate in discussions like this, but I thought I would give you another perspective you may not have seen.

I read this a couple years ago, and not only did I think it was a work of genius that I (and I assume you) would have a hard time crafting myself, but the whole time I got the vibe that the writer was subtly poking Lucas in the eye the whole time. It's kind of what I appreciate the most out of the piece; the irony that a fan compellingly tied the loose ends together when the film makers didn't even bother... and did it largely by using the cheap, merchandising-driven cameo of Chewbacca in Episode III.

At any rate, I can certainly agree with you about Empire.
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(Anonymous)
Feb. 16th, 2011 11:29 pm (UTC)
"Obi-Wan, who saw Anakin's performance in the Pod Race, is nervous." Obi-Wan was on the ship at the time of the pod race. Qui-Gon was the Jedi who witnessed Anakin's victory.
theweaselking
Feb. 17th, 2011 02:51 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure Obi-Wan heard about it, or watched it on TV like the other 99% of Tattoine. Point is, between Pod Race and New Hope, Obi-wan knows that Luke's awesome shit is the same kind of awesome shit Vader pulled in the early years.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 17th, 2011 02:17 am (UTC)
I loved it, particularly the R2 bits that have him haggling with the Jawas and your descriptions of him and Chewie hiding behind the front men. Thank you.

el oh el to all you commenters who can't recognize a joke
(Anonymous)
Feb. 17th, 2011 02:21 am (UTC)
If only
It would be nice to think that it was that well thought out. It would be nice to think Chewie and R2 were secretly more than comic relief. Unfortunately, it's all too obvious they were just jammed into the prequels at whatever angle for nostalgia, merchandising or whatever. I like your version better.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 17th, 2011 03:41 am (UTC)
Now someone has to make a subtitle translation of R2-D2's and Chewbacca's "lines" based on these assumptions. it would be hilarious.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 17th, 2011 02:37 pm (UTC)
organa
organa isnt dead, he is at Yavin...and has become white. He and leah embrace. And what about that women that is always appearing?
(Anonymous)
Feb. 17th, 2011 04:18 pm (UTC)
Re: organa
That wasn't her father, that was General Jan Dodonna. The woman who keeps appearing is Mon Mothma, Chief of State of the Alliance.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 19th, 2011 02:17 am (UTC)
You almost had me
I could have believed it till u said chewbacca was a rebel. The wookies were enslaved. Chewbacca was left on kasheek when yoda left. he would have no way of contacting yoda.
AaronNRiggs
Jan. 3rd, 2014 05:32 pm (UTC)
Re: You almost had me
I know this comment was left nearly three years ago, but I would like to reply...

The author clearly states at the beginning (and even in this comment section) that he is using film canon and the expanded universe is just another form of speculation.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 19th, 2011 09:54 pm (UTC)
R2
I feel like the only other major flaw here, besides anything chewie or falcon related (and those can be ignored is you only go with film canon) is that R2 resisted the jawas in the canyon when he gets captured.

First, 3P0 got captured first, so if r2's goal was to get captured then he did go the wrong way. Since 3P0 wasn't with R2 there was no reason to put up a show-not that there would've been anyways because 3P0 is too dense to figure anything out, and what the hell do the jawas care if R2 doesn't react, as I am sure there are plenty of droids with out the intelligence to freak out when they get captured.

Still, this can be fixed if we think that R2 knows where ben is (maybe he has a homing device or something, hacks into Tatooine GPS, as we can probably assume that any planet with enough civilization will have satalites in orbit.) and is heading towards Ben when he gets captured. Then out of bargaining or luck they end up at lar's homestead. Luck probably seeing as you would need even more luck for luke to have gotten to taking off his little control chip that the jawa's put on.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 26th, 2011 05:58 am (UTC)
Re: R2
haha, this can be fixed by removing "arranged to be" with "is"
:)
andromedabastow
Feb. 21st, 2011 09:14 am (UTC)
Very cool connection.
I will add that if Vader turned out this bad, Leia and Luke's offspring Or offsprings twins have more chances to bear twins after all) would be another one to worry about for plan C. And Chewie is all alone he cannot chop that many heads. So of course he throws Han and hopes the bad boy's charm melts the princess heart. And Han has been on a space alone for how long? I'm pretty sure he wouldn't need that much encourage.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 25th, 2011 03:15 pm (UTC)
This is rubbish
You need to read a lot of books before you go speculating what happened. First off Chewie swore a life debt to Han for saving him from Han's former captain in the Imperial Navy and slavery. Second Lando originally won the Falcon gambling which Han later won. Third the Millennium Falcon is a a Correllian YT-1300 light freighter, it was not exactly rare but the Falcon was modified heavily. All that can be found in the Han Solo Trilogy. Yoda and Obi-Wan did not go into hiding for 20 years they did quite a bit and there are 11 books so far in a series called "Last of the Jedi." Tells the story of what happened after the most of the Jedi were killed. I have not read them yet but will be starting them soon. So you may want to consider reading some books if you want to know what happened between "Revenge of the Sith" and "A New Hope."
(Anonymous)
Feb. 26th, 2011 05:55 am (UTC)
Re: This is rubbish
Can't put a lot of weight on a book series written by someone other than the writers of the two trilogies.
This is a great exercise in critical thought using a specific sample. This is just wonderful. The only problems I had was Chewie, but mostly because, as previously stated in the comments, his appearance in the Revenge did seem a bit more like marketing than film making. But hey, you can only use what you got to work with, and this guy made something very nice.
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(Anonymous)
Mar. 3rd, 2011 05:00 am (UTC)
Some of this sounds reasonable, but most of it is patently false.

Bail Organa wiped C3PO's memory simply because he is a total blabber mouth and has no sense of, shall we say, propriety. R2 is simply a mechanic droid, the last thing anyone would ever suspect of being an intimate part of the resistance, hence the lack of need to wipe his memory.

Obi Wan's primary goal on Tatooine was simply to prevent Luke from falling into the Emperor's hands. But your other proposed theories do make sense.

The escape pod landing in the correct vicinity of Obi Wan and Luke is quite uncanny (unless you choose to chalk it up to it being the will of the Force) but to assume that R2 had somehow predicted this and managed to get "kidnapped" by Jawas is more than a long stretch. If he had "arranged" for this transport, why did the Jawas first sneak up on the droids and then forcibly disable them?

Obi Wan was not lying when he claimed he never owned any droids. R2 was originally the property of the military of Naboo, and 3PO was built and owned (originally) by Annakin Skywalker, then was in the service of Amidalla. Even while in the service of the Jedi, neither droid was owned by the order, much less an individual Jedi, who shunned material possesion.

Chewie. First off, Chewie was a slave for the Empire for the majority of the time between Revenge and A New Hope. He was never a rebel agent. Solo was an imperial cadet who saved Chewie and got booted from the Academy. This act by Solo created a bond or life debt between him and Chewie, which essentially means that Chewie owes Solo for the rest of his life. That's the reason he hangs around with Solo.
Cameron Bean
May. 5th, 2011 12:57 am (UTC)
The official word is...
Officially speaking, only the movies are canon. The whole life debt between Han and Chewie is never spoken of during the 6 movies. The "Expanded Universe" does make mention of this, but as much as I love the extra stuff, not one single sentence of it is official in any way, shape or form. I loved the Timothy Zahn novels, really, but the instant that George Lucas decides to contradict anything in them, it has to be ignored.

This whole piece is written by extrapolating the depictions in the movies, and nothing else is acceptable. The movies never specify that Chewbacca spent time as a slave. The movies never specify that Solo was a cadet of any kind. The movies never specify that Jedi shun material possessions. The movies never state Obi Wan's mission is NOT to dispose of Luke if things start going bad.

The lack of material posession? It is hinted at, kinda, but unless outright stated by Lucas, it's pure speculation. And in fact, the 20 gazillion "EU" books out there, are pure speculation as well. It's all a bunch of "maybes".

This dissertation is just as valid as anything else, barring George Lucas' commentary.

The ultimate point is that while we can skewer the storytelling today, when Star Wars was released, it heralded a new chapter in movie-making history, drawing in theatrical crowds for an ENTIRE YEAR! Could you imagine James Cameron's Avatar being in theatres for an entire year?

Yes many of the devices are over-used, the dialog now seems dated, but that is because Star Wars spoiled us. We now all know what an Ion Cannon is, we all know what hyperdrive is, because Star Wars dragged all of that stuff out of "Amazing Stories" and threw it in front of a (mostly unprepared) world audience.

Star Wars broke new ground, and amazed an entire world of moviegoers. Making that kind of effect today, I do not believe is possible.
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(Anonymous)
Mar. 5th, 2011 11:58 am (UTC)
Just Brilliant
Just Brilliant
(Anonymous)
Mar. 7th, 2011 08:44 pm (UTC)
What a Revelation
This is quite possibly the best fan "fiction" I have ever read. I found myself both gasping and laughing throughout. As a real life, hiding-in-plain-site, agent of the Rebellion, I applaud your work sir.
- C-3PO Weekends 2010
(Anonymous)
Mar. 14th, 2011 01:59 pm (UTC)
Genius
I've read this post in "morningstar" years ago. I'm glad it was re-posted. I remember the first time I saw it, read four times in a row. Star Wars became instantly better because of it. Geoge Lucas owes you it. Congratulations.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 22nd, 2011 06:14 pm (UTC)
No matter what they say...
This is brilliant. Thank you.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 22nd, 2011 08:18 pm (UTC)
obi wan and pod race
I believe OBI-wan was back at the ship and not viewing the pod race that anakin participated in. Small error but thought i would point it out .
(Anonymous)
Mar. 22nd, 2011 10:08 pm (UTC)
In light of EU materials...
Interesting conjectures, but some points don't really make much sense in light of the Expanded Universe materials(novels, comics, etc. considered canon by Lucasfilm).

1.) Falcon on Coruscant in RotS - described in the novel Millenium Falcon, where the ship is involved in some secret mission for the Jedi (Han and Chewie not involved)

2.) The series of novels written by A.C. Crispin give the canonical backstory of Han and Chewie. Chewie does not show any indications of being a Rebel agent. Also, the abilities of the Falcon are shown to be modifications made by Han and Lando, and Han is shown to have entered the sabaac tournament and won and chose the Falcon without any involvement from Chewie.
(Anonymous)
Jun. 3rd, 2011 06:44 pm (UTC)
Not in Films == Not Canon
You guys mentioning books, comics, cartoons, etc. do know that is not considered Star Wars canon? See:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon


STARLOG: "The Star Wars Universe is so large and diverse. Do you ever find yourself confused by the subsidiary material that's in the novels, comics, and other offshoots?"

LUCAS: "I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions."
Jon Pugh
Jul. 5th, 2011 02:12 am (UTC)
Bringing Balance to the Force
The other aspect of the movies that is underdeveloped is why the Jedi Council, and Yoda in particular, would let Anakin fall to the dark side. Having spent years debating this with my brother and friends, here's what I think was/should have been happening behind the scenes.

Yoda knew the prophesy. Anakin was destined to bring balance to the force. Unfortunately, given the Jedi's influence over the Republic at that time, the Force was dominated by good, so balance would be bad. Yoda wasn't interested in balance, as it would mean massive loss of life, so he denied Anakin's training. Worse, his view of the future was tormented by the massive shift to evil that Anakin represented.

Nevertheless, Yoda could see a light at the end of the darkness. If Anakin fell quickly, things would get bad promptly, but would emerge in balance relatively soon. This appeared to Yoda to be the best way through the coming disaster. Let Anakin fall to the dark side, causing the Sith Lord to reveal himself and put his plan in motion, and trust that Anakin's destiny would eventually cause a balance to be achieved.

That is what happens at the end of episode six. Darth Sidious is destroyed, Darth Vader dies and the only Force sensitives left are a minimally trained Jedi Luke and an untrained Leia.

And it only took 40 years.

I envision the story for this scenario taking place on Degobah, possibly in the old tree, ultimately as a vision that Yoda has, where he sees the worst scenario come to pass. Anakin training to be a Jedi, ultimately falling to the dark side when Sidious kills Amadala and the twins, and Anakin in his grief destroys Sidious, himself and all Force users in the galaxy, laying waste to untold worlds. In this light, allowing Anakin to destroy the Jedi Order and join Sidious is a small price to pay for the multitude of lives saved and the hope that Luke can rebuild the Order after it's all over.

Gotta love canon with holes you can drive a Star Destroyer through. ;)

km_515
Jul. 6th, 2011 07:07 pm (UTC)
Re: Bringing Balance to the Force
I like that.

On the face of it a lot of what Yoda does is very odd, even in the original trilogy.

He can see the future, but at first refuses to train Luke, the person who will bring a Jedi victory. He tells Luke that leaving Dagobah to rescue his friends will cause their death and Luke's own fall to the Dark Side, but neither thing happens. Yoda and Ben lie to Luke about his family, even though knowing the truth about them is what later gives him the strength and dedication to defeat the Emperor.

Either Yoda is not nearly so wise as we would like to think he is, or he is playing a deeper game and not everything he says is what he really means. Perhaps Yoda is sometimes subtly pushing Luke to do the opposite of what he says.
Re: Bringing Balance to the Force - Maayan Keshet - Aug. 12th, 2011 10:13 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Bringing Balance to the Force - (Anonymous) - Jun. 9th, 2012 09:17 am (UTC) - Expand
ext_721327
Jul. 21st, 2011 01:03 pm (UTC)
Quick EU reply
I will send more later, but I just wanted to clear things up about the Expanded Universe. While you all may think only the 6 movies are officially canon, that is simply not true. Star Wars has a professional historian (see http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/magazine/16-09/ff_starwarscanon) and an official Databank, listed on their Website. The Databank has all official canon and descriptions of characters.

There you can find Chewbacca (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/chewbacca/index.html) among others and realize that some of the EU is actually canon. It confirms a number of the above comments.
(Anonymous)
May. 16th, 2012 04:01 am (UTC)
Re: Quick EU reply
Actually, if you read into it, quite a bit more than "some" of the expanded universe is canon, very little isn't. more than 5000 years of information has been canonically filled through novels, comics, and short stories, and I am in the process of reading them all. Sadly, most of what he has said is now null and void, though at the time he wrote it it was actually somewhat feesable, and I greatly appreciate that someone was actually willing to put a little effort into bridging all the movies logically.
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